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Revit TotD – 10.19.09 | Working with Profiles in Project

Every  now and again you’ll run across an object that you want to change, but don’t want to have to figure out what nested family it’s using, stop working on the project, find the profile family, open the family, change it, save it, load it into the project, yada, yada, yada… who wants to do that?  So let’s take a look at how to deal with nested family objects like wall hosted sweeps and specifically in this case floor slab edges.

These objects are unique because they are System Families (handled specifically within the project by Revit) but they rely on Standard Families (user created content).  The Floor Slab Edge relies on a profile that is loaded into the project.  Assuming that the profile family is created properly and is parametric in a sense that we need it to be, we can make changes to the profile without even leaving the project.

  1. Find out which profile is being used by the Floor Slab Edge you are placing
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  2. Find the profile in the Project Browser under the Families > Profiles section
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  3. Right click the profile you want to edit and select New Type from the context menu
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  4. Name the new type accordingly
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  5. Right Click the new type you just made and click Properties. Change the parameters of the profile to reflect the changes you want to make
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  6. Click OK a few times to get back to the canvas
  7. Change your Slab Edge type to use the profile!
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There you have it.  No leaving the project.  No opening family files.  None of that!  Stay in the project, stay productive!  Note that this procedure can be used to create new types of any family in the Project Browser.  Hope this helps you stay a bit more productive and I hope to see you again on another Revit TotD!

-Carl

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Revit TotD – 6.25.09: Wall Profiles and Constraints

The last project I worked on in a real office was a real piece of work.  With about 12 people in total working on the model at any given time, the model no doubt had some issues between everyone having their way with the model.  One of the issues that occurred DAILY was with wall profiles.  What I began noticing was that people were using profile lines instead of the Height and Length constraints to change the length and height of the walls.  Here is a quick tip on what to look for if you are having strange wall issues in your project.

Checking your Wall Profile Constraints:

  1. Select your wall and click “Edit Profile”
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  2. Check that the outer profile lines are constrained to the wall reference planes.
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  3. You can use align and lock to constrain any profile lines that are not constrained.
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  4. Click “Finish Profile”
  5. Check that your wall edges flex with the wall grips.
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Easy as that!  Hope that helps, as usual please comment and tell our friends and coworkers and fellow students!  Have a great day and I will see you next time for another Revit TotD!

-Carl

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Bòrked Wall Profiles

I have noticed in a lot of projects I end up cleaning, that people tend to misuse wall profiles. What I end up running across most commonly is a wall that may have needed to be profiled at one point, but is no longer profiled, or a wall that has had the profile sketch moved from the reference lines of the wall (image coming up shortly).

Like everything else in revit, profiles do require a little bit of planning and should not just be the result of rushing into the Edit Profile tool because you need the wall to act differently. Some things to keep in mind when you need to edit the profile of a wall:

  • When someone drags the wall ends, should the length change?
  • Is this a fixed shape that is completely unconstrained from the original wall profile?
  • Does the wall height need to be controllable from the wall property dialogue?
  • Does the wall need to join cleanly with other walls around it?

Let’s take one specific case as an example. I have a wall that is not joining properly where a profile sketch has been applied to a wall.

Obviously this won't work on an exterior wall... let's fix it!

The first thing we note is that when we select the wall on top, it shows that the profile edge of the wall and the reference edge of the wall do not match. While this does not necessarily mean that something is wrong, it was my first clue as to what the culprit was. This is the shape the wall was in when I encountered it.

These arrows show where the wall reference (dashed green)  is versus where the wall profile is (red stops)

These arrows show where the wall reference (dashed green) is versus where the wall profile is (red stops)

When we edit the profile of this wall, we see what the issue is. None of the sketch lines are locked to the reference lines of the original wall shape. This means that Revit really has no clue what to do with the wall edge now, so it just leaves it alone without connecting to anything.

So now what? Well, we want to preserve our original profile lines, because those are correct, but we want to retain the locks to the reference lines so that Revit can handle wall joins properly. So to start off, we need to copy the profile sketch lines. So we select the wall and go into profile sketch mode by selecting “Edit Profile.” By selecting one of the lines, you can see that they are not locked to the reference plane on the right, which is the plane that indicates the side of the wall forming the join we are looking at. Go ahead and select all of the sketch lines (favorite tool! Hover over a line and hit tab once to select the entire loop of lines!) and copy them to clipboard (Ctrl+C).

Select the profile Lines and Ctrl+C

Select the profile Lines and Ctrl+C

We need to remove the sketch from the wall now, but before you do that you want to make sure that the constraints of the wall are such that you will not lose any inserts or conflict with too many other walls. Once you have checked this, go ahead and select the wall again, and remove the profile sketch by clicking “Remove Profile” in the options bar.

After we remove the sketch profile, you see what the original wall looked like.

After we remove the sketch profile, you see what the original wall looked like.

The wall from a 3D view.  You can see where we're missing some wall!

The wall from a 3D view. You can see where we're missing some wall!

Now we want to add the original profile shape back to the wall. Select the wall one more time, ente rsketch mode by clicking “Edit Profile.” Before we continue, select one of the profile lines here. Notice that not only are the lines on top of the reference lines for the wall, but they are locked. This mean that when the constraints (top, bottom, or length) of the wall change, these lines move with those reference planes. We want to preserve these locks in order for Revit to properly join the walls.

These are the locks that were missing before.

These are the locks that were missing before.

Go ahead and paste (Ctrl-V) the lines back into the sketch.
Ctrl+V

Ctrl+V

Move the lines that are different from the original lines into place. I usually pick a common point to anchor from, in this case, the bottom left corner of both loops are in the same place, so I start my copy from that point, and end the copy on that same point on the new loop (the video shows this much better). Be sure you disjoin the lines so that the original loop doesn’t stretch!

Be sure to disjoin the lines so they don't bring the endpoints of connected walls.

Be sure to disjoin the lines so they don't bring the endpoints of connected walls.

Remove the remainder of the lines you pasted in and finish the sketch!

That's much better!

That's much better!

Congrats! That wasn’t so tough was it?

Here is a video of this procedure:
Hope you found this helpful!
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